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MINUTES OF THE EIGHTEENTH MEETING OF THE
METROPOLITAN ATLANTA RAPID TRANSIT AUTHORITY
AUGUST 1, 1967
The Board of Directors of the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit
Authority held its regular meeting on August 1, 1967, at 3:00 P.M.
in the Glenn Building Conference Room, Atlanta. Mr. Richard H.
Rich, Chairman, presided.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Robert F. Adamson (City of Atlanta)
Sanford Atwood (DeKalb County)
M. C. Bishop (Fulton County)
Edgar Blalock (Clayton County)
Roy A. Blount (DeKalb County)
Rawson Haverty (City of Atlanta)
K. A. McMillon (Gwinnett County)
Richard H. Rich (City of Atlanta)
MEMBERS ABSENT:
L. D. Milton (City of Atlanta)
OTHERS PRESENT:
Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority
H. L. Stuart, General Manager
Glenn E. Bennett, Secretary
King Elliott, Public Information Director
Earl Nelson, Chief Engineer
H. N. Johnson, Secretary to General Manager
Joan Eschenbrenner, Secretary
MARTA Advisory Committee
H. Boyer Marx, American Society of Landscape Architects
Roy J. Boston, P.E., Georgia Society of Professional
Engineers
Consultants
W. O. Salter, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-Tudor, Bechtel, San
Francisco
J. A. Coil, Resident Manager, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-Tudor,
Bechtel, Atlanta
Raymond O'Neil, Deputy Resident Manager, Parsons, Brincker-
hoff-Tudor, Bechtel, Atlanta
R. W. Gustafson, Supervising Engineer, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-
Tudor, Bechtel, Atlanta
Robert P. Barksdale, Project Estimator, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-
Tudor, Bechtel, Atlanta
David McBrayer, Traffic Engineer, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-
Tudor, Bechtel, Atlanta
Louis Dismukes, Eric Hill Associates, Atlanta
Cc. B. Cleveland, Eric Hill Associates, Atlanta
Arden Brey, Eric Hill Associates, Atlanta
W. Stell Huie, Huie & Harland, Atlanta
Tom Watson Brown, Huie & Harland, Atlanta
Others
Joseph Errigo, Urban and Community Development Assistant,
Department of Housing and Urban Development, Atlanta
P. A. Springer, Atlanta Traffic and Safety Council
Robert W. Roseveare, Traffic Engineer, DeKalb County
J. B. Cooley, Planning and Research Engineer, Bureau of
Public Roads
Norman J. Van Ness, Bureau of Public Roads
George B. Pilkington, Bureau of Public Roads
Gerald L. Smith, Bureau of Public Roads
Joseph E. Lay, Robinson-Humphrey Company, Atlanta
William M. G. Fletcher, White, Weld & Co., New York
Dick Hebert, Atlanta Constitution
David Nordan, Atlanta Journal
Art Schultz, WSB Radio
Ken Goodnight, WSB-TV
Abe Gallman, WSB-TV
Harvey Kramer, Intern, Fulton County Comptroller's Office
Al Barr, Intern, Fulton County Comptroller's Office
Bill Hayes, Intern, Fulton County Comptroller's Office
J. D. Wingfield, Jr., Jerry A. Coursey, Mrs. Margaret C.
Breland, Miss Claudette Parrish, Tim Urban, Atlanta
Region Metropolitan Planning Commission
The meeting was called to order by the Chairman.
Minutes
Upon motion by Mr. Bishop, seconded by Mr. Blount, the reading
of the minutes of the July meeting was dispensed with and they
were unanimously approved.
Financial Report
The General Manager presented the financial report as of July 31,
1967, which is attached hereto and made a part of these minutes.
DeKalb County had sent in its second quarterly payment; Gwinnett
County was the only one in arrears.
Progress Reports
General Manager
Mr. Stuart reported on the two-week managerial seminar he attended
at Kent State University, Kent, Ohio, sponsored by Kent University
and the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
The General Manager said Los Angeles, Seattle and Washington, D.C.,
were to have referenda during 1968 with regard to rapid transit.
He pointed out that insufficiency of federal funds may be less
important than the competition from these cities. Mr. Rich men-
tioned the importance of taking steps to hold a referendum in 1968.
Mr. Stuart reported on meetings with Cousins Properties regarding
MARTA's requirements. Cousins Properties were about to incur cer-
tain construction expenses in the Air Rights area in their efforts
to provide for future rapid transit operations; these were costs
that could be charged to MARTA under appropriate agreements. Mr.
Stuart requested the Board's approval to continue negotiations
with Cousins. Costs involved had not been determined; however,
Mr. Stuart estimated them to be between $70,000 and $90,000. The
Chief Engineer was to meet with representatives from Cousins Prop-
erties and reach agreement as to exact costs which would be even-
tually chargeable to MARTA, when funds were available. MARTA
would be responsible for accrued interest as well. It was moved
by Mr. Bishop and seconded by Mr. Haverty that the General Manager
continue negotiations with Cousins Properties with an indication
of intent on the part of the Authority, provided all requirements
were met.
Mr. Stuart said the proposed subcontract between Parsons, Brincker-
hoff-Tudor, Bechtel and Law Engineering Testing Company for test
borings had been reviewed and found to be in order. Upon motion
by Mr. Bishop, seconded by Mr. McMillon, approval was given to pro-
ceed with the subcontract.
Mr. Rich suggested that in the future the General Manager prepare
a brief write-up on each proposed subcontract prior to the Board
meeting.
Consultants
Parsons, Brinckerhoff-Tudor, Bechtel
Mr. Coil summarized the report given at the briefing prior to the
Board meeting, which included parking layouts, patronage estimates,
and parking lot requirements for the 64-mile system; work contem-
plated in connection with the soils engineer on the central and
west lines which Law Engineering Testing Company was to do; as well
as the work being done in San Francisco on central line alignments
affecting the I-75/I-85 connector on West Peachtree Street.
Hammer, Greene, Siler Associates
In the absence of Mr. Hammer, Mr. Bennett said the report on finan-
cial feasibility was completed and that copies would be made avail-
able to the Board very soon.
"Rapid Busways" Proposal
As a result of a request from Mayor Ivan Allen, the Board had directed
the MARTA staff to review the rapid busways proposal made recently
by the Atlanta Transit System. Mr. Stuart read the complete report
of this evaluation, the summary of which is attached hereto and made
a part of the minutes.
In response to a question from Mr. Blalock, Mr. Stuart said the
rights-of-way for rapid busways and rapid transit were not the same.
The Chairman polled each Director for his reaction to the report.
Mr. McMillon was emphatic in hoping that nothing would divert the
Board from its efforts to bring rail rapid transit to metropolitan
Atlanta. Mr. Bishop said he was concerned with the legal entangle-
ments involved in the busways proposal. Mr. Haverty stated he would
be interested in the rebuttal from the Atlanta Transit System with
regard to the report. Mr. Adamson felt there were too many problems
and that there would be a delay in rapid transit if the busways
proposal were accepted.
After discussion, it was moved by Mr. Blount, seconded by Mr. Bishop,
and unanimously agreed that the Chairman forward to Mayor Allen
MARTA's recommendation that the implementation of the "Rapid Bus-
ways" concept not be attempted.
Other Business
The Chairman introduced the following interns from the Fulton County
Comptroller's Office: Harvey Kramer, Al Barr and Bill Hayes.
Adjournment
The Chairman adjourned the meeting at 3:50 P.M.
Next Meeting
September 5, 1967.
METROPOLITAN ATLANTA RAPID TRANSIT AUTHORITY
AUGUST 1, 1967
The Board of Directors of the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit
Authority held its regular meeting on August 1, 1967, at 3:00 P.M.
in the Glenn Building Conference Room, Atlanta. Mr. Richard H.
Rich, Chairman, presided.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Robert F. Adamson (City of Atlanta)
Sanford Atwood (DeKalb County)
M. C. Bishop (Fulton County)
Edgar Blalock (Clayton County)
Roy A. Blount (DeKalb County)
Rawson Haverty (City of Atlanta)
K. A. McMillon (Gwinnett County)
Richard H. Rich (City of Atlanta)
MEMBERS ABSENT:
L. D. Milton (City of Atlanta)
OTHERS PRESENT:
Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority
H. L. Stuart, General Manager
Glenn E. Bennett, Secretary
King Elliott, Public Information Director
Earl Nelson, Chief Engineer
H. N. Johnson, Secretary to General Manager
Joan Eschenbrenner, Secretary
MARTA Advisory Committee
H. Boyer Marx, American Society of Landscape Architects
Roy J. Boston, P.E., Georgia Society of Professional
Engineers
Consultants
W. O. Salter, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-Tudor, Bechtel, San
Francisco
J. A. Coil, Resident Manager, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-Tudor,
Bechtel, Atlanta
Raymond O'Neil, Deputy Resident Manager, Parsons, Brincker-
hoff-Tudor, Bechtel, Atlanta
R. W. Gustafson, Supervising Engineer, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-
Tudor, Bechtel, Atlanta
Robert P. Barksdale, Project Estimator, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-
Tudor, Bechtel, Atlanta
David McBrayer, Traffic Engineer, Parsons, Brinckerhoff-
Tudor, Bechtel, Atlanta
Louis Dismukes, Eric Hill Associates, Atlanta
Cc. B. Cleveland, Eric Hill Associates, Atlanta
Arden Brey, Eric Hill Associates, Atlanta
W. Stell Huie, Huie & Harland, Atlanta
Tom Watson Brown, Huie & Harland, Atlanta
Others
Joseph Errigo, Urban and Community Development Assistant,
Department of Housing and Urban Development, Atlanta
P. A. Springer, Atlanta Traffic and Safety Council
Robert W. Roseveare, Traffic Engineer, DeKalb County
J. B. Cooley, Planning and Research Engineer, Bureau of
Public Roads
Norman J. Van Ness, Bureau of Public Roads
George B. Pilkington, Bureau of Public Roads
Gerald L. Smith, Bureau of Public Roads
Joseph E. Lay, Robinson-Humphrey Company, Atlanta
William M. G. Fletcher, White, Weld & Co., New York
Dick Hebert, Atlanta Constitution
David Nordan, Atlanta Journal
Art Schultz, WSB Radio
Ken Goodnight, WSB-TV
Abe Gallman, WSB-TV
Harvey Kramer, Intern, Fulton County Comptroller's Office
Al Barr, Intern, Fulton County Comptroller's Office
Bill Hayes, Intern, Fulton County Comptroller's Office
J. D. Wingfield, Jr., Jerry A. Coursey, Mrs. Margaret C.
Breland, Miss Claudette Parrish, Tim Urban, Atlanta
Region Metropolitan Planning Commission
The meeting was called to order by the Chairman.
Minutes
Upon motion by Mr. Bishop, seconded by Mr. Blount, the reading
of the minutes of the July meeting was dispensed with and they
were unanimously approved.
Financial Report
The General Manager presented the financial report as of July 31,
1967, which is attached hereto and made a part of these minutes.
DeKalb County had sent in its second quarterly payment; Gwinnett
County was the only one in arrears.
Progress Reports
General Manager
Mr. Stuart reported on the two-week managerial seminar he attended
at Kent State University, Kent, Ohio, sponsored by Kent University
and the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
The General Manager said Los Angeles, Seattle and Washington, D.C.,
were to have referenda during 1968 with regard to rapid transit.
He pointed out that insufficiency of federal funds may be less
important than the competition from these cities. Mr. Rich men-
tioned the importance of taking steps to hold a referendum in 1968.
Mr. Stuart reported on meetings with Cousins Properties regarding
MARTA's requirements. Cousins Properties were about to incur cer-
tain construction expenses in the Air Rights area in their efforts
to provide for future rapid transit operations; these were costs
that could be charged to MARTA under appropriate agreements. Mr.
Stuart requested the Board's approval to continue negotiations
with Cousins. Costs involved had not been determined; however,
Mr. Stuart estimated them to be between $70,000 and $90,000. The
Chief Engineer was to meet with representatives from Cousins Prop-
erties and reach agreement as to exact costs which would be even-
tually chargeable to MARTA, when funds were available. MARTA
would be responsible for accrued interest as well. It was moved
by Mr. Bishop and seconded by Mr. Haverty that the General Manager
continue negotiations with Cousins Properties with an indication
of intent on the part of the Authority, provided all requirements
were met.
Mr. Stuart said the proposed subcontract between Parsons, Brincker-
hoff-Tudor, Bechtel and Law Engineering Testing Company for test
borings had been reviewed and found to be in order. Upon motion
by Mr. Bishop, seconded by Mr. McMillon, approval was given to pro-
ceed with the subcontract.
Mr. Rich suggested that in the future the General Manager prepare
a brief write-up on each proposed subcontract prior to the Board
meeting.
Consultants
Parsons, Brinckerhoff-Tudor, Bechtel
Mr. Coil summarized the report given at the briefing prior to the
Board meeting, which included parking layouts, patronage estimates,
and parking lot requirements for the 64-mile system; work contem-
plated in connection with the soils engineer on the central and
west lines which Law Engineering Testing Company was to do; as well
as the work being done in San Francisco on central line alignments
affecting the I-75/I-85 connector on West Peachtree Street.
Hammer, Greene, Siler Associates
In the absence of Mr. Hammer, Mr. Bennett said the report on finan-
cial feasibility was completed and that copies would be made avail-
able to the Board very soon.
"Rapid Busways" Proposal
As a result of a request from Mayor Ivan Allen, the Board had directed
the MARTA staff to review the rapid busways proposal made recently
by the Atlanta Transit System. Mr. Stuart read the complete report
of this evaluation, the summary of which is attached hereto and made
a part of the minutes.
In response to a question from Mr. Blalock, Mr. Stuart said the
rights-of-way for rapid busways and rapid transit were not the same.
The Chairman polled each Director for his reaction to the report.
Mr. McMillon was emphatic in hoping that nothing would divert the
Board from its efforts to bring rail rapid transit to metropolitan
Atlanta. Mr. Bishop said he was concerned with the legal entangle-
ments involved in the busways proposal. Mr. Haverty stated he would
be interested in the rebuttal from the Atlanta Transit System with
regard to the report. Mr. Adamson felt there were too many problems
and that there would be a delay in rapid transit if the busways
proposal were accepted.
After discussion, it was moved by Mr. Blount, seconded by Mr. Bishop,
and unanimously agreed that the Chairman forward to Mayor Allen
MARTA's recommendation that the implementation of the "Rapid Bus-
ways" concept not be attempted.
Other Business
The Chairman introduced the following interns from the Fulton County
Comptroller's Office: Harvey Kramer, Al Barr and Bill Hayes.
Adjournment
The Chairman adjourned the meeting at 3:50 P.M.
Next Meeting
September 5, 1967.