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February 22, 1968
Memorandum To: Mayor Ivan Allen, dr.
This is a more detailed follow up report pertaining to our brief discussion |
yesterday re the Turnkey project on Gilbert Road S.E. |
Tuesday, Mr. Matt Bystry of Whiting-Turner, the construction firm building
the 220-unit Turnkey project, called me and advised that he is having difficulty
in getting his site plan for the project approved by the Sewer Divisions that they
are apparently satisfied with it, in so far as pertains to the sewer plan for the
site itself, but that two serious off site problems have arisen:
(1) He has been advised by the Sewer Division that the project cannot tie
into the sewer at Flynn Road because it is already overloaded, and
(2) the Sewer Divigion insists that the project provide for the off site
storm sewer drainage for approximately ¥4 mile down stream, which Mr. Bystry claims
will cost him $25,000 to $30,000.
My, Bystry further states that he has reluctantly agreed to provide the entire
paving of Flynn Road, which is a City dedicated street, but that he is not prepared
to provide the off site storm sewer drainage, nor does he think the Federal govern-
ment will allow this as a project cost.
I have talked with Mr. Satterfield about this who confirms Mr. Bystry's
opinion that the Federal government will probably not pay for the off site storm
sewer drainage. Mr. Satterfield further points out that if this were a Public
Houging project, being built by the Housing Authority, that under the Cooperation
Agreement the City would be obligated to supply necessary facilities to the site,
including storm sewer drainage, and that no off site improvements could be paid
for by the Housing Authority.
Mr, Satterfield further feels that since the Turnkey project is being built
under contract with the Housing Authority to purchase the development, when completed,
for Public Housing use, that the Cooperation Agreement should also apply to Turnkey
projects, as though the projects were actually being built by the Housing Authority.
Mr. Satterfield has suggested getting a ruling on this point from the City Attorney,
as 1t will probably crop up in relation to other Turnkey projects.
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Memorandum To: Mayor Allen, Feb. 22, 1968
I have contacted Mr. Bowden as to whether, under the Cooperation Agreement
the City would be obligated to provide off site improvements for essential
facilities for Turnkey projects, as it is obligated to do for conventional Public
Housing projects? Mr. Bowden has suggested that Mr. Satterfield attempt to
determine informally from the Federal people whether they will allow inclusion
of such off site improvements in the purchase price of Turnkey projects. Mr.
Satterfield has agreed to discuss this matter with local HAA officials and will
advise me of their position.
I have also contacted the Water Pollution Control Division and this is how
the matter currently stands with them:
The sewer site plan itself is essentially satisfactory.
Mr. Morriss has now agreed to let the project connect to the existing Sanitary
sewer near Flynn Road, as the site plan calls for, and has also agreed to make the
necessary improvements to the existing off site Sanitary sewer line, at City expense.
Mr. Adair estimates that due to the development, the site area itself will
generate 30% more run off.than at present. He has proposed to the developer's
engineer that the 42" storm sewer which will serve the project be extended off site
for only about )00' and that an open drain or flume be provided for an additional
2600' off site down stream to channel the run off from the 2" storm sewer, plus
other surface run off from the general area. He thinks that perhaps a portion of
this open drainage may have to be ripraped.
Mr. Adair estimates the cost of the off site storm drainage, if done in this
manner, would be in the neighborhood of $1),,000 and has asked the Whiting-Turner
engineer to make a detailed survey of the area involved to confirm the feasibility
of this proposal and its estimated cost. The engineer agreed to do this and Mr.
Adair expects his report this week, (However, I have just learned today that home
office of Whiting-Turner has instructed their engineer to hold up on this, pending
the outcome of my report to you).
In addition, Mr. Morriss has informally agreed to assist the developer
financially in this off site storm sewer drainage by obtaining the necessary
easements and either providing the labor, if developer will provide the pipe or
by providing the pipe if the developer will furnish the labor.
It appears to me that the current sewer proposal is a reasonable compromise
solution which I have suggested to Mr. Bystry, the developer, that he accept. Mr.
Bystry contends however that in view of his agreement already to pave all of the
Flynn Road frontgage against which the projects abuts, at his expense, he feels
that the City should provide for all of the off site storm sewer drainage, partic-
ularly since it is also needed to relieve current unsatisfactory run off from
additional properties in the area.
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Memorandum To: Mayor Allen, Feb. 22, 1968
Mr. Bystry is to advise me this week as to whether his company is agreeable
to accepting the compromise solution proposed by the Sewer Division.
Respectfully,
Malcolm D, Jones
Housing Coordinator
Jees Mr. Dan E. Sweat, Jr.
Memorandum To: Mayor Ivan Allen, dr.
This is a more detailed follow up report pertaining to our brief discussion |
yesterday re the Turnkey project on Gilbert Road S.E. |
Tuesday, Mr. Matt Bystry of Whiting-Turner, the construction firm building
the 220-unit Turnkey project, called me and advised that he is having difficulty
in getting his site plan for the project approved by the Sewer Divisions that they
are apparently satisfied with it, in so far as pertains to the sewer plan for the
site itself, but that two serious off site problems have arisen:
(1) He has been advised by the Sewer Division that the project cannot tie
into the sewer at Flynn Road because it is already overloaded, and
(2) the Sewer Divigion insists that the project provide for the off site
storm sewer drainage for approximately ¥4 mile down stream, which Mr. Bystry claims
will cost him $25,000 to $30,000.
My, Bystry further states that he has reluctantly agreed to provide the entire
paving of Flynn Road, which is a City dedicated street, but that he is not prepared
to provide the off site storm sewer drainage, nor does he think the Federal govern-
ment will allow this as a project cost.
I have talked with Mr. Satterfield about this who confirms Mr. Bystry's
opinion that the Federal government will probably not pay for the off site storm
sewer drainage. Mr. Satterfield further points out that if this were a Public
Houging project, being built by the Housing Authority, that under the Cooperation
Agreement the City would be obligated to supply necessary facilities to the site,
including storm sewer drainage, and that no off site improvements could be paid
for by the Housing Authority.
Mr, Satterfield further feels that since the Turnkey project is being built
under contract with the Housing Authority to purchase the development, when completed,
for Public Housing use, that the Cooperation Agreement should also apply to Turnkey
projects, as though the projects were actually being built by the Housing Authority.
Mr. Satterfield has suggested getting a ruling on this point from the City Attorney,
as 1t will probably crop up in relation to other Turnkey projects.
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Memorandum To: Mayor Allen, Feb. 22, 1968
I have contacted Mr. Bowden as to whether, under the Cooperation Agreement
the City would be obligated to provide off site improvements for essential
facilities for Turnkey projects, as it is obligated to do for conventional Public
Housing projects? Mr. Bowden has suggested that Mr. Satterfield attempt to
determine informally from the Federal people whether they will allow inclusion
of such off site improvements in the purchase price of Turnkey projects. Mr.
Satterfield has agreed to discuss this matter with local HAA officials and will
advise me of their position.
I have also contacted the Water Pollution Control Division and this is how
the matter currently stands with them:
The sewer site plan itself is essentially satisfactory.
Mr. Morriss has now agreed to let the project connect to the existing Sanitary
sewer near Flynn Road, as the site plan calls for, and has also agreed to make the
necessary improvements to the existing off site Sanitary sewer line, at City expense.
Mr. Adair estimates that due to the development, the site area itself will
generate 30% more run off.than at present. He has proposed to the developer's
engineer that the 42" storm sewer which will serve the project be extended off site
for only about )00' and that an open drain or flume be provided for an additional
2600' off site down stream to channel the run off from the 2" storm sewer, plus
other surface run off from the general area. He thinks that perhaps a portion of
this open drainage may have to be ripraped.
Mr. Adair estimates the cost of the off site storm drainage, if done in this
manner, would be in the neighborhood of $1),,000 and has asked the Whiting-Turner
engineer to make a detailed survey of the area involved to confirm the feasibility
of this proposal and its estimated cost. The engineer agreed to do this and Mr.
Adair expects his report this week, (However, I have just learned today that home
office of Whiting-Turner has instructed their engineer to hold up on this, pending
the outcome of my report to you).
In addition, Mr. Morriss has informally agreed to assist the developer
financially in this off site storm sewer drainage by obtaining the necessary
easements and either providing the labor, if developer will provide the pipe or
by providing the pipe if the developer will furnish the labor.
It appears to me that the current sewer proposal is a reasonable compromise
solution which I have suggested to Mr. Bystry, the developer, that he accept. Mr.
Bystry contends however that in view of his agreement already to pave all of the
Flynn Road frontgage against which the projects abuts, at his expense, he feels
that the City should provide for all of the off site storm sewer drainage, partic-
ularly since it is also needed to relieve current unsatisfactory run off from
additional properties in the area.
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Memorandum To: Mayor Allen, Feb. 22, 1968
Mr. Bystry is to advise me this week as to whether his company is agreeable
to accepting the compromise solution proposed by the Sewer Division.
Respectfully,
Malcolm D, Jones
Housing Coordinator
Jees Mr. Dan E. Sweat, Jr.